"How Do Gun Rights Advocates respond to the claim that AR-15's are useless..........."

 Same as before...

  And it will be this way, I will blog when I can.  I have a rant peculating and some things that happened at Casa De Garabaldi.  I will try to get a post up on Sunday, or I might sleep in, LOL

    Well anyway I saw this on Quora while I was on the throne. As I was taught a long time ago "The bossman gets paid a dollar, I get paid a dime, so I get paid to crap on company time". Well anyway I saw this and thought it was worth "Nicking".  Afterwards, I added a post I had done back in 2013.

       

How do gun-rights advocates respond to the claim that AR-15s are useless because a tyrannical government would send drones, A-10s, and tanks to quell any civilian revolts?

because a tyrannical government would send drones, A-10s, and tanks to quell any civilian revolts?

AR-15s?

Some of these people don’t have proper shoes. I have seen shoes made out of Kumho tires. And they’re not even U.S. citizens.

The U.S. has employed drones, A-10s, artillery, guided missiles… a whole hell of a lot of resources. Hundreds of billions of dollars.

After nearly 20 years of fighting these “poorly armed” people, we’re about to finally quit. Because there is no [feasible] way to win. We don’t even know what “winning” looks like today.

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War is not simply killing the enemy. War is a struggle between two hostile, independent, and irreconcilable wills, each trying to impose itself on the other by force.

You do not win a war by killing the enemy. You win a war by destroying his ability to fight. Killing your enemy is just one tried-and-true method of destroying your enemy’s ability to fight. But it is not the only way. It is not even the most efficient way.

Unless you’re willing to slash and burn, asymmetric warfare is not won by having the biggest or most expensive toys. It’s by using the toys you do have to grind your enemy down in materiel and morale. To undercut his economic and social support. So that even if your enemy has all the toys to fight, you’ve attrited him so badly that he no longer desires to pay the high cost of using them.

So, your military personnel are murdering civilians in mass numbers with expensive toys?

Well, let’s get down to brass tacks. I mean, really basic, gritty uncomfortable stuff about occupying an armed society. At the end of the day those military personnel are greatly outnumbered. And they live in homes and have families and they have to sleep. Right in those angry civilian’s backyards.

Sure, Lieutenant Smith can reach out and touch someone by predator drone. If Ireland taught us anything, one night Smith will go to the local off-base watering hole. And he won’t come home that night. They’ll find him dead in an alley or floating in a river.

Oh, sure. They’re not supposed to talk about what they do. But, it happens. Loose lips. Internal leaks. It’s inevitable—especially close to home. Today, the Air Force has about 900 drone pilots. How many pilots could a tyrannical government afford to lose? How fast can you re-train them?

Sure, you can take increasingly drastic action to control the civilian population. And you’ll only exacerbate the pushback. And where’re your bullets and beans coming from? Who is producing and packaging it? Is it still safe? Those aircraft burn fuel. After several months of these operations, where are you going to get that fuel? Other civilians? Supply chains coming from civilian contractors are vulnerable. And collaborators are just targets. How are you going to operate when over 300 million people can deny you—and all of your supply chain—freedom of movement?

Like I said. This is ugly stuff.

So now, in addition to this murderous government killing civilians, you’ve got to protect your personnel, their homes, their families, food production and processors, private contractors, fuel lines, highways, etc. And that’s before we even consider external threats who might smell opportunity.

So you really have a tyrannical government? The scale of operations you’ll need to contemplate will quickly explode in complexity and resource requirements. Yes, you can have a bit of fun oppressing your civilian population. But the logistics will ultimately sink whatever tyrannical fantasies you have.

Yes, even a poorly trained, armed populace is capable of defending and prevailing against a much larger, better equipped military. Not at any small cost. People die in armed conflict. But they can win. And that is the way things are.

And the fact that this is the way things are, tends to “discourage” ambitious and corrupt men from future actions they might take. Which would lead us down the path where such a tyrannical government would be willing to inflict such heavy casualties on their citizens with impunity.

Petty tyrannies maybe. But, outright tyranny isn’t logistically possible. So long as people have the means to resist you.

People who state this absurd objection are effectively saying, “And that’s why we need to disarm the people. So they can’t fight back at all.”

       Something else to think about, I had posted this back in 2013 I believe and it is still pertinent to what is going on, 

I ran across this from Here.  I remember seeing this posted before right after Sandy Hook.  Since then, the government has tried to ban certain ammo for a very popular rifle platform.  BATF is just doing the bidding of the petulant boy king.   I have commented in the past that there is only one way to enter Valhalla and kneeling before the executioner ain't it.  I am adding some points to the below essay.  I have this thought going through my mind if the time came and I had to choose to die with honor or live as a coward....

     If the decision came, I hope I acquit my self as well as the vikings did in this battle, yes I know that this is a movie, but the Alamo was real as was other places that fought against overwhelming odds.    I sincerely hope that it never comes to this and we pull away from the abyss that is looming in front of us.  There is a lesson here, if everybody choose to fight, the enforcers will quickly lose heart for we vastly outnumber them.

Stick to your guns–no matter what!

This is a re-post from a couple of years ago. Matt tells it like it is. If we don't resist, it's just a short boxcar ride to a "re-education" camp. Or a bullet in the back of the head. I have made my stance very clear on more than one occasion.
  My line in the sand;
     I would rather be shot by a government thug while standing in the middle of my street 
      than to be shot in the back of the head by a government thug while kneeling next to a pit.

by Matt Bracken

If they come to take away your guns by force, they have declared war on the Constitution, and on you. At that point, war is joined, just as it was during another famous gun confiscation raid on April 19, 1775.

If a firearm was legal in 2012, under the 2nd Amendment it’s still legal in 2013 and it will be legal forever, no matter what so-called “executive orders” are handed down or new “laws” are passed by a panicking Congress. Those who say otherwise are liars and traitors and oath breakers and domestic enemies.

Every survivor of every genocide says the same thing: when they come to take your guns, shoot them! Make them take them, and their system of repression will be overwhelmed, because they don’t have millions of jack-booted thugs ready to do armed battles all over the country.

If you give up your arms, you are placing your entire trust in the permanent future benevolence of the U.S. government. This trust is invariably fatal: ask the American Indians about those treaties that were guaranteed forever.

History is clear, with numerous examples, of the danger of gun registration and gun control. The German gun registration laws were enacted during the 1920s Weimar Republic, years before Hitler came to power. German gun registration was mandated in the name of “public safety.” Note that phrase well. I’m sure today’s liberal utopians would agree that they were “common sense” and “reasonable” gun control laws. Don’t we all want “public safety?”

Then Hitler rose to power, and used the gun registration lists to first disarm the Jews, and then to force them into starving, overcrowded ghettos, and finally into mass graves and gas chambers. The Nazi genocide of the Jews was enabled by those “common sense” German gun registration lists.

Millions of Polish Jews were rounded up by German military police battalions. The German military police only needed a 1-10 ratio to their victims. A mere 100 German military police, (4-Fs in their forties, bottom of the barrel conscripts, not rabid SS), would round up and murder a town of a thousand Jews over the course of one day.

The Germans would force them to sit tightly packed together on town plazas or sporting fields under the watch of only a handful of armed guards. The Germans would then march groups of twenty or thirty at a time at gunpoint into the woods for point-blank executions. A 1-10 ratio means the military police were not worried at all about meeting resistance. The victims were all previously disarmed.

During the Armenian Genocide from 1915-23, two million Christian Turks were exterminated by being marched at gun point into burning deserts with no food or water. The Turkish gun registration laws were enacted in 1911, in the name of “public safety.” The genocide began a few years later, after the Armenians’ firearms were confiscated.

Entire divisions of Russian troops hiked home from WW1 in 1917/18, carrying their rifles and swords and other sidearms. Very early on, Lenin decreed that “public safety” required they all be turned in, under penalty of death. And so the Russian war veterans were disarmed—but not the Communist Party members. Then came the Soviet purges, the Great Terror, the Gulags, and tens of millions of disarmed Russians were murdered.

I’m sorry, but I do NOT trust that our federal government won’t turn as brutally tyrannical as the old USSR at some point in the future, perhaps after an economic crash or other major crisis. The Obama regime already perceives that we “Bitter Clingers” are “reactionaries” who are not only standing in the way of social progress, we are actively blocking it.

That makes us pure Evil, since their plan for a socialist utopia is pure Good. And that means they will ultimately come to feel totally justified in seeking a “final solution to the Bitter Clinger problem,” in the same way that the Turks, Soviets and Nazis did. Can anyone guarantee Americans that tyranny will never visit our shores?

If the socialists in power are scapegoating us as national villains now, what will they do when they have no reason to fear us whatsoever? Did the Turks, Soviets or Nazis treat their despised minorities better, or worse, after disarming them? Think!

And once a despot’s enemies (that’s us) are disarmed and helpless…the temptation grows to simply do away with them. Obama mentor and ghost-autobiographer, the Weather Underground bomber Bill Ayers, stated that they would need to murder ten percent of the American population to achieve their socialist nirvana. Thirty million bitter clingers. Guess who that is?

Don’t relearn this bitter lesson the hard way. Learn from history’s many examples. As it was for the Turkish Armenians, German Jews, Russian Kulaks, Chinese, Ugandans, Guatemalans, Cambodians, Cubans, Rwandans, and on and on, history’s lesson is crystal clear:

Stick to your guns–no matter what!

I think this passage says it all. If we resist, what are they really going to do? What happens when the enforcers are afraid to go out and do their jobs? 

“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? After all, you knew ahead of time that those bluecaps were out at night for no good purpose. And you could be sure ahead of time that you’d be cracking the skull of a cutthroat. Or what about the Black Maria sitting out there on the street with one lonely chauffeur — what if it had been driven off or its tires spiked. The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin’s thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!”

~~Alexander Solzhenitsyn