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Thursday, May 16, 2024

The Boy Scouts Are No More

I am pooped, these 12 hour days are catching up with me, but I like the money...so as long as they have the overtime, I will work it. :)

 I had posted this back in 2018 and am reposting this to accompany the article that I saw from the Daily Signal", I have left the email and the Author's name on the subsequent post.  Mine is above the Scout holding the American Flags, Hers is below it.

I have blogged extensively about the Boy Scouts, because I am a member of that organization and I heard on the WSJ that the Boy Scouts are considering Bankrupcy protection because of the many lawsuits from the sexual harassments from the 1960's.  We in the Boy Scouts use what is called 2 deep leadership basically an adult cannot be left alone with a child

 Now I will give my opinion, the Boy Scouts are wrapped in the culture war, the BSA tries to remain non partisan, but the Left views the Boy Scouts as "traditional American values" and like all Marxist, they strive to wipe out the collective history of a people to insert their own values.  The Boy scouts are collateral damage in a culture war that has seen a lot of changes and not all of it good.  The Left has a "Take No Prisoners" attitude and the right tries to "get along" and make compromises to appease the left, but the left is never satisfied.  The goal of the left is to totally remake America in their own twisted image that bore little resemblance to the America that did exist at one time.  If a people don't know their traditions and past, they are easier to manipulate and control and to the left, it all boils down to control.  They know what is best for for the rest of us, and if we would only get with the program the great utopia will arrive.

   Here is the email I and many other people received  from the scout executive

I am writing to you today in anticipation of news reports that will speculate about the BSA’s financial position. We have an important duty, and an incredible opportunity, to focus as an organization on keeping children safe, supported and protected, and preparing youth for their futures through our nation’s foremost program of character development and values-based leadership training.

To do so in perpetuity, we are working with experts to explore all options available to ensure that the local and national programming of the Boy Scout of America continues uninterrupted. We have a social and moral responsibility to fairly compensate victims who suffered abuse during their time in Scouting, and we also have an obligation to carry out our mission to serve youth, families and local communities through our programs.

We care deeply about all victims of child sex abuse and we are steadfast in our belief that one incident of child abuse is one too many. We sincerely apologize to anyone who was harmed during their time in our programs. As you all know, we have always taken care of victims – we believe them, we believe in fairly compensating them and we have paid for unlimited counseling, by a provider of their choice, regardless of the amount of time that has passed since an instance of abuse. Throughout our history we have taken proactive steps to help victims heal and prevent future abuse. I want to stress that at no time in our history have we knowingly allowed a sexual predator to work with youth, and we always seek to act swiftly when alerted to abuse allegations.

Please know that these matters continue to have the full attention of the highest levels of our organization, and we will communicate transparently as there are developments or updates to share. I wanted to update you today due to the news speculation, and I want to assure you that our daily mission will continue and that there are no imminent actions or immediate decisions expected.

Thank you for your continued support of the Boy Scouts of America.
Michael B. Surbaugh
Chief Scout Executive

I was concerned about the many actions lately that the Boy Scouts have made, they alienated many conservative supporters by openly embracing the LGBT movement trying to be "inclusive" and curry favors with the various gay organizations to be "Friends" but they miss a big caveat dealing with them, you are not their "Friends".  Just something to get crushed.

    When President Trump showed up at Jamboree to give a speech, the BSA leadership felt a need to apologize for his speech and that pissed a lot of people off.  The people complaining would have complained no matter what he said.  The BSA has forgotten that, they are trying to be "accommodating" to the left and getting nuked anyway.  They also have decided to allow girls into the organizations.  I have mixed emotions becausae I believe that boys need an organization to be boys, 

   Here is an email I sent to my scoutmaster when he asked about the troop going COED to follow national's policies.  
  In most of the world Scouting is COED, with the exception of the United States and the muslim countries.  In the United States we have the Girl Scouts, most places of the world, there are no program for the girls, hence they are COED because that was the mission of Baden Powell to inspire the new generation.
     That being said, I am of 2 minds on this.  In the Cub Scouts when I was a den leader, we had siblings participate all the time, it made it a "One Stop Shop" for the parents.  I did hear that the girls wanted to participate in the cub scouts, they do a lot of fun things and to me it was perfectly logical to incorporate the girls into the cub scouting program.
    Now the Boy Scouts are different, and I may anger some people with this.  Boys need a place to be boys, to develop the camaraderie and shared experiences that gives a kid balance.  When girls are injected into the mix it totally changed the dynamics due to puberty.    I do understand why many parents want their daughters to go through the Boy Scouts, they do a lot of stuff outside and do camping and many other things that the Girl Scouts rarely do and a lot of people find comfort in the "timeless Values" of the Boy Scouts that have stood the test of time.
      I know that National wants the girls included, this will add to the membership rolls, I am a realist, if the program is to survive we have to open the membership to include girls.
     I will also say this, there is a rush in our society for "Grrl Power"  The girls are told that they can do anything they set their mind to, there are all these barriers that need to be broken. The girls are encouraged to "be all they can be".  The boys in our society are told that masculinity is toxic and that they need to apologize for the sins of their gender.  And people wonder why boys are confused.  The Boys need the timeless values of the BSA more than ever.   I say this to say that the BSA whether they want to admit it are wrapped in the culture wars and this is part of the culture wars.   I am just concerned that the boys will be shuffled off in a corner in the rush for "acceptance" of the girls.
    As far as your options goes,   Girls are here to stay and they should be part of the program but not mixed with the boys.
     We can either stay as a "boys" only troop or with the acceptance of our charter rep, form a Girl Scout Troop, they can use the same gear,tents, ete.ete just on different weekends while they get established.  The 2 deep leadership must be adhered to for not only the protection of the youth but the protection of the adult. 

    I do hope that the BSA does survive because the boys need the timeless values that are not really being taught anymore.

   This is her article:

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The Boy Scouts are no more.

The organization, once well known for helping shape boys into good men, allowed girls to join in 2017. Now the group is going a step further, announcing its new name as of February will be Scouting America.

What a loss for Americans—both men and women.

In recent days, we’ve seen examples of good American men. Fraternity brothers at University of North Carolina Chapel Hill protected the American flag from pro-Palestinian protesters.

And Mario Torres, a 45-year-old custodian at Columbia University, said he tried to “protect the building”’ and ended up in a physical altercation with a protester. “He had a Columbia hoodie on, and I managed to rip that hoodie off of him and expose his face,” Torres told The Free Press.

Mario Torres, a Columbia University custodian, grabs a demonstrator who attempted to barricade himself in the school’s Hamilton Hall on April 30 in New York City. (Photo: Alex Kent/Getty Images)

Unfortunately, though, our modern culture largely doesn’t value manly virtues—or men.

It would be one thing to see the further gender neutralizing of the Boy Scouts of America if the boys and men of America were thriving. But they are not.

Fewer men than women attend college. Among men deemed prime working age, those ages 25 to 54, 11.4% were not in the workforce as of 2022, according to the San Francisco Fed. That’s up from 5.8% in 1976.

“In 2020, only 25% of men ages 17-24 … qualified for military service; the majority were disqualified for being overweight, having issues with drug abuse, for mental health and medical/physical reasons, or for a combination of those factors,” writes Brenda Hafera, a senior policy analyst at The Heritage Foundation’s Simon Center for American Studies. (The Daily Signal was established by The Heritage Foundation in 2014.)

The data doesn’t suggest that men are happy with the status quo. In the United States, around four times as many men die by suicide as women do. Men are two to three times as likely to die of a drug overdose than women. They’re also more likely to binge drink or be hospitalized in relation to alcohol use. Among men ages 18 to 45, a horrifying 44% have thought of suicide in the past two weeks, according to a 2023 Equimundo survey  

“Many of the young men who came to see me were struggling,” writes Sen. Josh Hawley, R-Mo., in his book “Manhood: The Masculine Virtues America Needs,” recalling his time working as law professor. “Some lacked confidence, some lacked direction; others could not seem to get motivated.”

 “They were afraid to fail, to venture out and take a risk, but felt at the same time dissatisfied with their lives as they knew them,” Hawley continues. “One after another said … I’m not sure what I’m supposed to do with my life. And yet they felt they were failing at whatever that was.”

Perhaps the politically correct expungement of male-only spaces is part of the reason why men are struggling so. 

In recent decades, even as women-only spaces have remained popular (and accepted), male organizations have drifted into inclusivity. Richard V. Reeves, who heads the American Institute for Boys and Men, notes that that the Boys Clubs of America became co-ed in 1990. Reeves adds: “In 1978, the Young Men’s Christian Association (YMCA) banned all gender discrimination, and now focuses on the wellbeing of children, young people and the wider community with no specific orientation towards boys or men.” A total of 25 women’s colleges exist, but for men, only three single-sex colleges remain.

Why are we so against these men-only spaces?

As a woman, I’ve long valued female-only spaces. Attending a conservative Catholic college, I lived in a women-only dorm. Men darkened the doors only to fix things and even then, like lepers of old alerting townspeople with a bell, they had to bellow “man in the dorm” at regular intervals to make clear their intrusion.

It was fantastic: The dorm truly became a refuge, a place where I and other women were free to commiserate, study, and have fun together in a way many of our romance-addled brains could not quite manage when our crushes were potentially present.

Post-college, I’ve appreciated girls’ nights and girls’ trips with friends. I’ve been grateful for those moments of unique solidarity I’ve sometimes found with female colleagues, some of them fellow journalists.

Why should men be denied these joys, these delightful moments of shared understanding and interests?

A 1965 portrait promoting Boy Scouts of America. (Photo: Dennis Hallinan/Contributor/Getty Images)

Furthermore, there’s real evidence that the Boy Scouts, in its male-only incarnation, did help boys become good men. In 2012, Baylor University researchers compared Eagle Scouts—the highest level of Boy Scouts—to non-scouts and found that Eagle Scouts were:

  • 34% more likely to have donated to a nonreligious charity in the past month.
  • 53% more likely to have donated to a religious charity.
  • 62% more likely to have volunteered for a nonreligious organization.
  • 56% more likely to have worked with a neighbor to address a problem or improve the community.
  • 55% more likely to have held a leadership position in their workplace.

In addition to these findings, which showed how Eagle Scouts truly contribute to their communities, Baylor researchers also found evidence that Eagle Scouts enjoyed better social relationships than their peers. Compared to non-scouts, Eagle Scouts were 38% more likely to be close with siblings, 37% more likely to be close with friends, and 87% more likely to belong to four or more groups.

That’s important—because too many men these days lack crucial social support.

Among men, 15% had no close friends in 2021, up from 3% who said so in 1990. That’s significantly higher than the percentage of women who say they have no close friends (10%), according to The Survey Center on American Life, a project of the American Enterprise Institute, a conservative think tank. Over half of men are unhappy with the size of their friend circle.

About a quarter of younger men (ages 18 to 45) said they saw no friends or family during the past week, and 22% said they had no one locally they are close to or could depend on, according to a 2023 Equimundo survey. Almost half of these younger men said they found their online lives more fulfilling than their actual lives, while about 60% said they viewed porn once or more a week.

So, sure, let’s kill one organization that had successfully helped men socialize with each other.

Of course, the Boy Scouts of America isn’t a perfect organization. The revelations about the organization’s sexual abuse crisis have been horrifying. Far too many boys weren’t protected from predators. A lawsuit was settled for $850 million in 2022 after tens of thousands of men said they had been abused as Boy Scouts.

And although the Boy Scouts laudably resisted much of the woke culture longer than many, they too waved the white flag. In 2011, Kathleen Arnn, writing in the Claremont Review of Books, compared the 2009 Boy Scout Handbook with the original from 1910.

“[D]ecades of aggressive political correctness have had their effect, and the Scouts have lost some of the confident American boyishness that loves heroes and makes for heroes,” wrote Arnn.

The original Boy Scott Handbook told boys: “A good Scout must be chivalrous” and “[H]e should be as manly as the knights or pioneers of old. He should be unselfish. He should show courage. He must do his duty.”

The handbook also profiled American heroes, including George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, Daniel Boone, Johnny Appleseed, and even Betsy Ross.

But by 2009, the “chapter on Chivalry has been completely removed,” wrote Arnn, adding: “American heroes, so numerous and colorful in the original handbook, are almost absent. Washington and Lincoln are each mentioned one time.”

A prepared Boy Scout in the 1920s practices first aid on a Wirehaired Terrier dog. (Photo: H. Armstrong Roberts/Classicstock/Getty Images)

Perhaps someone can resurrect a new version of the old Boy Scouts, complete with the old handbook. Or start an entirely new organization, one that cultivates manly virtues in a boys-only space.

But what’s clear is we need to do more to support our boys and men. No (sane) feminist benefits when men fail; this isn’t a zero-sum game. Both men and women lead happier lives when men are living up to their potential, holding down jobs, and being great husbands and dads.

Our current society isn’t working for men. It’s time to change it—and bring back, for both boys and men, male-only spaces where they can connect and, hopefully, flourish.


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  1. I was an Adult Leader, a Merit Badge Counselor, and the liaison between the local Boy Scout Troop and the Fire Dept. As an Adult Leader with no boys of my own, I got to go on all the outings, functions, High Adventures, and imparted my knowledge and experience to the boys I lead. Several of them went on to become Eagle Scouts and I willingly lent my expertise and labor to their projects. I immediately severed all ties when they started down this road with allowing openly gay scout leaders. No one could ever answer why we had to allow the subject of sex of any kind and questions that may be raised by confused scouts into scouting. I have been asked to return, but flatly refuse.

    I belong to a sportsman's club that is male members only. While our by-laws do not forbid women as members (because THAT would be illegal) it is because of the by-laws about how to become a member that they are excluded. A candidate for membership must be sponsored by a Regular Member, and then voted in by the membership. There is an unwritten rule that no member in his right mind would ever sponsor a female candidate because he would become "persona non grata" with the rest of the club if he did. Then when the candidate was put up for the acceptance vote, she would be unanimously rejected and then sent away. Harsh yes, but necessary for a great club that has existed for 65 years. Now just because women can't be members, doesn't mean they aren't welcome to use the facility as a guest of a member, and they are always treated with kindness and respect while on club grounds.

  2. Ironically, none of the pictures came through. And yes, they've killed the Boy Scouts. They cannot be revived this time, and I mourn for what we've lost.

  3. BSA killed itself, time to move on and establish orgs that do the necessary and not be cowed by the left.


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